UNDER 55% only - Fast Async

Tomtomparking

Hi Newt,

For making groups of stage 3 you take the top 8 players. But how do you select this 8 players:

You take the top 2 of each group?
Or, do you take the 8 best TVP of all groups on the stage 2?
This will not be the same, so it's just to know, no matter the option selected.

Thanks!

Newt

Hi Tomtomparking,

All players are ranked #1 though #16 using the Stage 2 results. Stage 1 results are only used to break ties. I think that my enumeration of who will be in what group from the tournament description makes this clear. I will edit the Tournament Description to make it even clearer...

Here is a cut-and-paste from the original tournament description. As I stated, I think that the enumeration makes it very clear which way the groups will be seeded and also how players will be ranked to get in. Compare this enumeration to the one I provided for Round 2 seeding. Clear, no? But I do agree the text above the enumeration could be improved. I have done that to make it even clearer! Thanks.

All / any other comments are welcome. I'd like to codify the particular method for repeated use, so wordsmithing suggestions are very helpful. Note, that in this particular instance of this tournament - I did not do the round 1 seating. Because we had that false-start of round one (where 18 games were erroneously launched for each player) CGE intervened and reset the tournament for us. At that time, CGE did the round 1 seating. I'm actually not sure if they did it completely randomly... they may have used player rank to seed each group. Is that a better way than random? What do you think?

From the original Tournament Description:

"STAGE 3 - 6 games

Stage 3 will have an 8-player winners bracket and an 8-player losers bracket based on the TVP accumulated in Stage 2. TVP from Stage 1 will only be used to break ties - using the combined full score of both Stages.

STAGE 3 WINNERS BRACKET 1 of 2 (GROUP 1)

Stage 2, #1 Player
Stage 2, #3 Player
Stage 2, #6 Player
Stage 2, #8 Player

STAGE 3 WINNERS BRACKET 2 of 2 (GROUP 2)

Stage 2, #2 Player
Stage 2, #4 Player
Stage 2, #5 Player
Stage 2, #7 Player

STAGE 3 LOSERS BRACKET 1 of 2 (GROUP 3)

Stage 2, #9 Player
Stage 2, #11 Player
Stage 2, #14 Player
Stage 2, #16 Player

STAGE 3 LOSERS BRACKET 2 of 2 (GROUP 4)

Stage 2, #10 Player
Stage 2, #12 Player
Stage 2, #13 Player
Stage 2, #15 Player"

Newt

Hello everyone,

Everyone is finished with round 2 except for the group with our one Aussie. I'm in that group, and we are in the midst of what appears to be a little software hiccup on the very last turn of game 6. The game is paused until we hear back from the CGE software people - who are usually very responsive. It's a weekend, so we may not hear from them until Monday.

As far as I know, we have two Europeans and one Australian. The rest, I assume, are in the Americas. There is one other player that I suspect is in Europe, but I have not heard back from him.

It would be helpful to me to know where everybody is. I am USA MDT.

So, if you are willing and you see this, please chime in with your timezone or your continent. It will help me determine if we need to add some time in the next round, or if I can engineer the seating with player permission so that we don't have the three continent combination problem.

Please reply to this thread with your time zone or continent, and any other comments that you may have about the tournament.

Newt

Tomtomparking

Hi,

Thank you for your answer!

I'm in Western Europe (France) and i like playing against players from all continents, regardless the time of the day (or the night) when i have to play 😉

Tom

Firedart

@Newt Very much enjoying the tournament - I like the structure of multiple rounds.

Newt

Group One heard back from CGE, and there was indeed a software glitch. One of us was about to be denied a political action two turns after drafting free cards using "International Agreement" (for which you give up a PA). The software was about to deny two PA, one on the penultimate round and another in the final round. CGE fixed it and we completed the game.

STAGE 2 is concluded! Here is the result.

Time-outs:
Only one Time-out this Stage - Luigino71 was docked 25 points, but it did not change his rank.

Ties (broken by Stage 1 scores):
Khyung (3rd) and Petrau77 (4th) tied for 3rd/4th Place with 375 TP.
Luigino71 (9th), Tomtomparking (10th) and Phixed (11th) tied for 9th-11th place with 200 TP.

Winners and losers:
The gap between 8th and 9th rank was 75 points, so there was decent separation between the winners bracket and the losers bracket.

Here is the ranking with group assignments for Stage 3. After this round the winners bracket (G1 and G2) will be ranked 1-8 against each other. The top 3 players will advance to the final 6 game match. Only the #1 player from the losers bracket, ranked against the other players in their bracket (G3 and G4) will be in the final. Combined results from Stage 1 plus Stage 2 will break ties.

Rank - R2 TVP - Player - R3 Group - Time zone (if known)
1 - 550 - Firedart - G1 - UK
2 - 400 - Neilio - G2 -
3 - 375 - khyung - G1 -
4 - 375 - Petrau77 - G2 -
5 - 350 - lubaroli - G2 - AUS
6 - 325 - TepSloan - G1 - USA
7 - 300 - Sergeeeee - G2 -
8 - 275 - Newt - G1 - USA
9 - 200 - Luigino71 - G3 - EU
10 - 200 - Tomtomparking - G4 - EU
11 - 200 - Phixed - G3 -
12 - 175 - Ragnard - G4 -
13 - 150 - Eugeneg - G4 -
14 - 125 - Kabel2 - G3 -
15 - 100 - LyzzeeP - G4 - USA
16 - 75 - Balarithon - G3 - EU

Timezones and Game clocks

Our Asia / Aus player is in a group that, given the info I have, does not create the 3 continent problem (not enough overlaping waking hours). THEREFORE this will continue to be a FAST ASYNC Tournament.

I'm going to start stage 3 twenty four hours from now. I'm pretty sure I got the above standings correct. However, if someone would go through them and verify that I got everything right that would be helpful. If you decide to do that and conclude that these numbers are correct, please post a response saying so. I sure you will also let me know if I got something wrong.

STAGE 3 TIEBREAKER
Here are cum TVP from the first 2 rounds:

1 Firedart 975
2 khyung 800
3 Newt 675
4 Neilio 650
5 Petrau77 650
6 Luigino71 625
7 TepSloan 525
8 Sergeeeee 525
9 Tomtomparking 525
10 Phixed 475
11 lubaroli 400
12 Kabel2 350
13 LyzzeeP 350
14 Ragnard 300
15 Eugeneg 250
16 Balarithon 75

Newt

24 hours later - I went into the tournament software to set up and start Stage 3.
It looks like we have another glitch... I sent this message to CGE:

"Hello Thomas,

In the subject Tournament - we just finished Stage 2 and I want to set up Stage 3.

Problem: Currently, the software is showing (1) Stage 3 as "complete" (which is incorrect), (2) shows no players and (3) is not allowing me to input into any of the fields of the "advanced" menu when I choose Stage 3.

If I look at Stage 1 or Stage 2 - the correct information and results are posted.

The software does however allow me to input in the Stage 4 input screen under the "advanced" menu.

I think the software believes that we are now starting Stage 4 - and for some reason has "jumped" past Stage 3.

I am unable to set up Stage 3. "

Firedart

Newt Thanks for all the info Newt - hopefully it won't take too long to sort out the problem 🙂

Newt

Alright... CGE fixed the Tournament set up problem.

However, we have another complication. The seedings may have resulted in the "three continent problem".
https://www.worldtimebuddy.com/?pl=1&lid=2988507,22,7&h=2988507&hf=1

This is only an issue because we are a fast async tournament. One option for solving this is to increase the amount of Reserve from 36 hours per age to something longer. Another way is to shuffle around the seedings.

GROUP 2
Sergeeeee is in the UK
lubaroli is in AUS
Neilio is where?
Petrau77 is where?

I'm waiting to hear back from and Neilio and Petrau77. If either of them are in the Americas ( and I suspect that Neilio is USA) then I'm going to need to take one action or the other.

Thoughts?

Firedart

Increasing reserve is probably the easiest fix I think Newt.

Newt

Firedart Yea - increasing the reserve may help, except when I go to that page of the tournament set-up the fields are set and I am locked out of making any changes.

Actually, my preference would be to increase the response time (now 3 hours). I think that response time is the main culprit in forcing people out of games. However, there is no ability to do that.

Based on my multiple interactions with CGE - I'm sure they can enter the Tournament set-up window and change the reserve for me if I ask. However, I'm not sure if they can change the response time. I guess we'll see.

Newt

Wow, the messaging system is really archaic.
1) I'm having trouble finding the location in the software where I can send friends requests.
2) I am unable to figure out how to send messages to players who are not on my "friends" list.

Therefore unless Neilio or Petrau77 respond here - I'm unable to communicate.

I sent this note to CGE:

The problem:
1) I search for a player and find them. I see the screen with the player name and clickable links below their name:
"Posts"
"Discussions"
"Private Discussions'
"Mentions"

2) I click on "Private Discussions" and try to start a "New Private Discussion". The "add recipients to your discussion" window comes up.

3) when I typed in the first three letters (or even the entire username) no selectable list comes up for me to chose the recipient.

4) Therefore, I can't address a private discussion to anyone.

This appears to be a software problem - unless there is another reason that I cannot message these players - they are not on my "friends" list - could that be the limitation?

Firedart

Newt AFAIK you can only add friends in-game. Once added, you can talk to them through the web interface.

Newt

Next Tournament I run will be single-continent!

Here is my latest note to Tomas at CGE:

Hello Tomas,

My current tournament now has a group that contains players from three different continents.

It is a Fast-Async Tournament.

Here is an illustration of the problem: there aren't enough overlapping waking hours between the players.
https://www.worldtimebuddy.com/?pl=1&lid=2988507,22,7&h=2988507&hf=1

I would like to increase the reserve from 36 hours to 48 hours.
I would like to increase the allowed response time from 3 hours to 12 hours.

The fields to do so are "locked" and I cannot change the numbers.

Thanks,

Newt

This is no longer a Fast Async Tournament. We are now Medium Async (48 hrs reserve, 12 hrs to respond).

Newt

The final stage of this tournament will start next week.

Originally, There was to be only one group of players in the final stage - playing for all the marbles. I t would still be the case that only the top group will be competing for honors, but I am considering grouping the "other 12" of us to continue to play for fun and for "5th place". Who is interested in this?

If I get no response, I will revert to the original plan of a single 6 round 4-player group to determine the winner.

Firedart

Looking forward to the final stage Newt, thanks. I’m sure it would be fun for the remaining players to play for the 5th place!

Newt

First - sorry everyone for my week-plus delay on getting stage 4 going. We left our home on a 5-month road trip on July 8, and we've been spending a large amount of time out of connectivity (in the Colorado and Nevada high country). So much so, that I ended up timing out in my last game... I just couldn't get to a connection in time to keep it up.

Below is my cut on the Stage 3 results. As always, I'm going to leave this up for a few days in the hope that someone will correct my calcuations if they are wrong, or better yet, review them and tell me they are correct. (FIREDART ?).

In Stage 3, one of our late-joiners, Neilio just crushed it. He won all 6 of his games. We had a 3-way tie for the 3rd and 4th slot in Stage 4 - Luigino71, Tomtomparking and Kabel2 each earned 425 TP. As a result, their cum results from Stages 1 and 2 broke the tie and only Luigino71 and Tomtomparking made it into the final four.

Since I did hear back from ONE player (Firedart) of the "12 losers" on eagarness to do a 4th Stage, I'm going to go ahead and seat everyone for that final bit. So, the 12 losers will be in Groups 2, 3, and 4 and will be playing for the consolation of how close to 5th place they can arrive.

NOTE: I'm going to turn the torunament into a LONG ASYNC Tournament at this point, so unless you all have fires under your chair, - things may slow down a bit mooooore.... This is partly selfish. At this point, I really can't participate unless I stretch this out. The good news is that soon we will be out of the high country and back where we can get regular cell signals and internet.

Player, Round 3 score, Tie Breaker Round 4 Seating
Neilio 600 650 G1
khyung 450 800 G1
Luigino71 425 625 G1
Tomtomparking 425 525 G1
Kabel2 425 350 G2
Firedart 350 975 G3
Eugeneg 325 250 G4
Petrau77 200 650 G4
Phixed 200 475 G3
lubaroli 175 400 G2
TepSloan 125 525 G4
Ragnard 125 300 G3
Newt 75 675 G2
LyzzeeP 75 350 G4
Sergeeeee 75 525 G3
Balarithon 0 75 G2

Firedart

Newt Hi Newt, I've checked it over and I believe you have the finalists wrong. It should be the top 3 players from the "Winners Bracket" (which comprises Groups 1 and 2), and the top ONE player from the losers bracket (Groups 3 and 4). So the finalists should actually be:

Nealio (#1 ranked in Winners Bracket)
Khyung (#2 ranked in Winners Bracket)
Firedart (#3 ranked in Winners Bracket)
Luigino71 (#1 ranked in Losers Bracket, with higher cumulative points in Stages 1 and 2 than tomtomparking)

Does that make sense? I've checked back over the tournament description. I think you may have just forgotten about the winners and losers bracket thing and just gone on total VP this round, but it should be as I've described I believe 🙂

Nealio

Hi Newt, thanks!
Im Dutch btw 🙂

Nealio

Oh and just wondering, I think I’ve won all games so far. Do my scores not exceed 650 due to me not being present in the first round?

Newt

Nealio
Hi Nealio - only your scores from Stage 3 impact the seating for Stage 4. Therefore your maximum possible is 100 per game times 6 games = 600.

Your scores from the previous rounds are only used to break ties, which was not necesary in your case.
Your Stage 1 score (which was calculated, because you did not compete - it is the mode score of the field) = 250
Your Stage 2 score was 400
Total for tie breaking: 650

Make sense?