International Team Championship - season 1

zadokk

schwam Ow that is unfortunate. Reverting is not possible. Maybe if they cancel the pact immediatly and it did not effect the game a lot and you are ok with that...if not, it is a game loss.

FoLKeN91

schwam Thanks to this comment I realized that there is this new rule, which was different when the tournament was first created. My guess is that there will be many people thinking it's allowed as they will not re-read the tournament rules..

zadokk
is there a way to push a communication to all participants?

Also somehow I don't see my current opponents in the gdoc. Is it complete?

And thanks a lot for creating this tournament, I'm anticipating lots of fun! 😊

zadokk

FoLKeN91 Hi, the only way to communicate is via this board, or via the google doc or in discord.
On the google doc, i see your teams and opponents. on the tab pairings round 1, you see your match on table 37. Then on the teams tab, you see team 111 team plitch with the two members.

But the pact issue is a tough one...probably one thing to improve. Pajada asked if cge could remove the pacts from the draw deck, but that was not possible so easily...

Eepogi

Pact between team members also in Group 22. We decided that canceling asap is fine and we go on from there.

zadokk

Eepogi great if you can solve it in a smooth way like this...tx a lot

guppyfry

I canceled the pact in our game against schwam, they very helpfully noted the rule in the game chat, since obviously we were not aware of it. We didn't win any colonies, but it's possible I kept stones from the extra boxes on the turn it was active.

zadokk

guppyfry Nice that you are all so sportmanslike! great

wittr

We messed up and as i noticed we're not the first ones to do so. We completely missed the no-pacts-to-teammates rule and I offered Naval Trade Agreement to my teammate and he accepted. Fortunately, there was absolutely nothing that changed the match in any way. My teammate hasn't played his turn yet, so if he cancels it immediately, is it fine to continue the game?

zadokk

wittr Sure, indeed...it is also first round, so rules are friendly at the moment. It is a bit a mess the no pact rule...but indeed cancel it asap.

MadAvenger

@zadokk
Reporting team pacts in Group 7 Game 1.

On round 3 the player BoB94 made a Open Borders pact with his teammate thedayne. At the end of the turn BoB94 received an extra military card because of this pact.

On round 4 the player thedayne made a Naval Trade pact with BoB94. thedayne got +1 colonization, and BoB94 got 2 blue cubes. They also both received extra military cards because of the first pact.
Later the players canceled the pacts, but there has been at least 2 rounds since then. The first pact was canceled on round 5, and the second one on round 6.

I think the advantage provided by the pacts during the 2 rounds can influence the game.

According to the rules team pacts are prohibited.

Would it be reasonable to claim a win for MadAvenger and Snowgolem in that game?

zadokk

MadAvenger Hi, In your case, I aks you both to rematch it on your own, unless you are ok with continuing the game. If they do not accept it, it is an auto-win for you both. Let me know the decision.

zadokk

MadAvenger but this case is a proof that pacts are too strong in teams play, no?

Runawaaayyy

We got a bit of an issue as we didn't pay much attention to pacts rules. We expected them to be removed of the team games somehow. Game started and enemy team used open borders at the start of round 3 and kept it until round 9 playing an intensive strenght based game. At round 9 it was replaced by scientific cooperation, and they started using it, I then notified them that it wasn't allowed according to the rules and they better cancel it as soon as possible as we were discussing if we were going along or not. They chose to both play events, unfolding more str event and kept using the scientific pact. Considering they were both sitting on 2 science income since the beginning of the game due to their playstyle, the scientific pact allowed them to catch up greatly their complete lack of tech. On our end, at round 8 we concluded the trade route agreement that was used once on turn 9 and we haven't played since.
We would be fine with a rematch if it's possible as they got quite favored by repeated use of pacts or default win if not possible as they chose not to revert the situation when made aware of it.

Sorry for the inconvenience and thank you for the idea of team tournament

zadokk

Runawaaayyy In your case, I would propose a rematch. You can set it up yourselves...ok? Notify me when you are done. If they do not accept the a rematch, it should be a win for you, since you notify it and they keep on going. Let me know asap what you will do...

StefanGreatFirst

Hi zadokk,
First of all fantastic idea, thx for organizing that.
We have just finished first game. Great feeling.
But now we have double checked the rules and we, and team we played, we used pacts between team-mates 🙁((( Totally miss this rule somehow.
I guess we will be disqualified🙁 That’s a really pity because game was very close and very good not both teams.

StefanGreatFirst

StefanGreatFirst We had a 2 pacts and they have as well two pacts. We age 1-2 and they 2-3. For sure both pacts had impact on both sides. Totally missed this rule 😩

zadokk

StefanGreatFirst Hi StefanGreatFirst, your case is a bit different since you both did not be aware of the rule. So you played a pact game. In your case I will keep the result as it is. You both played pacts and it was a misunderstanding of the rule

zadokk

Hi all, I see that lots of people did not read the rules. I understand that.
I decided that from the next round there will be a new pact rule.
The new rule:
Pacts are allowed.
However every team has a right to veto it at the start of the game.
So if you do not want pacts at the start of the game, put it in the chat. If then the other team makes a pact anyway, it is an auto loss.
As for the cases in round 1, i will take a look at them one by one.

Runawaaayyy

zadokk I informed the opponents and created the game, waiting for them to join. It's called group 58 game 1 rematch no pact. Thank you again for your attention, I'll keep you updated for the result

StefanGreatFirst

zadokk Awesome! Thanks!!!

zadokk

IMPORTANT INFORMATION ABOUT PACTS!

I understand that lots of people did not read the NO Pacts rule.
Therefore as from next round, there will be a NEW pact rule:

Pacts are allowed.
However, every team has the right to ask for a no pact rule at the start of the game. So you write "no pacts" in the chat at the start of the game. If, the other team offers and accept a pact anyway, it will be an automatic gameloss.
If no contract was made at the start of the game, pacts are allowed.

For this round, I hope we can finish and find solutions for the pact games. It is the first round, so all is still possible and we are learning and adapting.
If you both played pacts without knowing the rule, we'll keep the end score.
In other cases, we will have to look case by case, and maybe some games will be replayed (rematch).
Sorry for the inconvenience.
zadokk