zadokk ok I have written them for an ok. If u have access to our team chat there is the whole communication since the beginning, with us all confirming how we understand it. Thanks for answering, br

      fathope Hi, I do not have access to your team chat, but I believe you. So you were red player! congratz

        zadokk thank you, I wrote both players, I can also send you screenshots or something in case.

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            zadokk for Sun Tzu group stip, do all tactic needs to be in common tactic to count? for example I believe tactics played on last turn will not get put in common.

                yliu386 no, they do not need to be in common. So tactics played on last turn also count.

                    zadokk for group stip, the tactic boosted by Sun Tzu is treated as separate tactic to the one not boosted correct? for example fighting band with and without Sun Tzu are counted as two different tactics. In normal game there is 17 different tactics, 18 if count Sun Tzu boosted.

                      yliu386 Indeed. Sun Tzu adds another tactic to the count. This is counted as an extra one!

                          zadokk

                          I do not think so. The rule says "different played tactics", Sun Tzu upgrades a tactic, but it's not a new tactic, it's the same card, like any other upgrade. When Great Wall upgrades an infantryman it is not a new unit, nor is Fleming's upgraded opera house a new building. I think the maximum should be 17 tactics.
                          It also says "played", when you play it from your hand the card is no different even if Sun Tzu's benefit is applied to it later.
                          What do you think?

                              Amorin It is different tactic in the sense that is can be adapted differently and it is listed separately in the common tactic area. It is also not the same card, as you will need to have played two different tactic card (of same tactic) for this the occur, eg, fighting band played by non Sun Tzu player is one copy and the fighting band played by Sun Tzu player is another copy and leave it boosted after Sun Tzu leaves. One player can later adapt to the normal fighting band, while another can adapt to the Sun Tzu fighting band. If Sun Tzu player simply adapt to the existing fighting band (without playing his own copy) and boosted it when he leaves play, only 1 fighting band will be in the common tactic (the boosted version). Normally, if two non Sun Tzu player plays the different copy of same tactic the second copy is discarded from the common tactic area. The examples you gave such as Great Wall and Fleming only applies to one player, but common tactics can be used by different players.

                                To add my thoughts, I would point out the Group Stipulation is called "Sun Tzu". As a player in Group (#2) where we played all 17 tactics, but failed to use Sun Tzu, I think Sun Tsu's upgraded tactic is a "different played tactic". At the end of the game we had 17 different tactics/strength a player could copy. If a group uses Sun Tzu, they could have up to 18 tactics/strengths a player could copy. I would say maximum for this Group Stipulation is 18.

                                  Dvale112 Indeed I was surprise that you guys in group 2 didn't pick up Sun Tzu. Was that decision to go for the group stip decided after or just an oversight at the beginning forgetting about the Sun Tzu tactic. @Amorin in group 12 didn't have Sun Tzu in the pool. We in group 33 will have 18 tactics in common tactic in the end due to Sun Tzu tactic variant.

                                    yliu386 I think it is a question of the words used.

                                    You can "copy" the Sun Tzu tactic in the common tactic area, but you cant "play" that tactic. In every board game I know the word "play" applied to a card refers to the moment you take it from your hand and play it.

                                    With that said... we're in the squid game. The Front Man decides XD

                                      Also there is the official achievement "Completely Artful (of War)" which counts Sun Tzu tactics as separate tactics. (Although it can be argued about the meaning of "including" in the description, whether it is adding the Sun Tzu tactics to the achievement, or whether it is pointing out, that those indeed are separate tactics. 😃 )

                                        Amazing what kind of discussion squid games created. :-)
                                        The intention was that SunTzu was a seperate tactic (hence the name of the stipulation). Maybe my wording was not perfect. Anyway, 18 is better than 17. But I understand both arguments.

                                          Amorin I had asked the front man previously about the meaning of played tactic as exactly what you described, playing from ones hand. If you look at the political deck, there are more than 17 tactic cards which you can draw and play. It was clarified that only ones remain in common tactics area count. Anyway looks like it is clear now and we are only group with 18. Though the three of us in star group is still trying to see who get closest to 150. Probably should finish faster to not get eliminated

                                            yliu386 You are at 95% so that shouldn't be a problem. How is it to try to be closest to 150? not easy challenge i guess...

                                                zadokk indeed, due to fact we played a lot more turns to draw the politic deck for tactics, everyone is trying not to score point and overshoot the target. It is all guesses about what Age3 events are left for scoring.

                                                    yliu386 Yeah, we decided to cooperate & go for the tactic stipulation (along with a few individual ones), but the discussion happened after 1-2 turns, so unfortunately we missed out on Sun Tzu. It would have still worked out for us had your group & Group #12 not gone for the Sun Tzu stipulation as well.

                                                        Thisisnotasmile

                                                        Thanks for the link to the video.
                                                        Yeah, good game.
                                                        Looks like round two is the end for me.